by
Anthony Forwood
This
is some information I got off the net regarding "Julianne
McKinney", the moderator of the multistalk forum on Yahoo. It
was buried deep within the noise of all the sites that refer to her
articles on mind control and electronic harassment. Many praise her
for being a government intelligence (NSA) turncoat and a 'pioneer of
the cause' against mind-control since about '92, but that's how the
disinformation agents often portray themselves (How come the
government never discredits them?). 1992 was when the Internet first
started getting popular, so it makes sense that the NSA would put
people like her out there early on to dissuade the full truth from
getting out and to monitor their targets. It should be noted that
once a person becomes an NSA agent (maggot), they can never really
leave the organization, due to matters of national security and the
secrets these people hold. They have also very likely been subjected
to intense mind-control programming as part of their indoctrination
in order to assure that they can never really separate themselves
from their government masters, whether they know it or not. Like I
said before I decided to leave that forum, BE CAREFUL OF JULIANNE
MCKINNEY!!!
"Julianne
McKinney, who's sole job as forum moderator for the gang stalking
forum Yahoo Multistalk, is to act rude and mean as hell, to keep real
TI's off the forum (harassing them off), thus keeping them from
assembling and networking to try and put an end to gang stalking.
McKinney was a hi ranking military intel officer, now claiming she's
gang stalker. horseshit, she is no TI, she's disinfo."
I've
lost the name of the actual site this quote was from, but an advanced
google search will bring it up for those of you who want to see for
yourself. To find it, try searching for this first: Govt
Disinformation on Youtube___-_alt_security_espionage.htm
That's
the name of the file that was produced on my computer when I
downloaded the web page.
Another
site has an article about her that reveals that she's been
identifying and studying victims. The question is, for who??? You can
find this article by searching for its title "The Mystery of
Julianne McKinney". There is also this comment I found on a few
different web pages:
"Bruno
Marchesani, moderator of Yahoo mind control forum, is actually a
perp. Beth from San Diego, a TI, invited Bruno, who lives in NoCal,
to do house repairs. Her neighbors already electronically harassed
her, the one safe spot for her dog was the garage, Bruno sabotaged
the whole house, no part of it was safe from EH, including garage.
This put Beth out on streets. Julianne McKinney, a crappy disinfo
agent, moderator for multistalk, tried to do damage control for Bruno
when Beth accused him."
Again,
I don't have the actual site name, but anyone capable of using
advanced search functions on google should be able to bring it up
using keywords from the quoted text, as well as the page title
"Organized Gang Stalking Video." The same comment can be
found on another site using a search of her name coupled with the
phrase "traffic strategies".
I
also found this, which reveals that I'm not the first, and will
probably not be the last, to be treated the way I was by her. These
are older posts from her bullshit multistalk forum:
From:
seagod1 <seagod1@yahoo. com>
To:
multistalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent:
Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:12:12 PM
Subject:
[multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
Why
is it that these multi stalkers are able to connect with just about
anyone and each and every person out there wants to assist and become
a member of their teams? How can something so unusual and something
that is so imoral come to light this way and everyone wants to
participate? How is this being done so easily and why are all the
most up to date methods being utilized which include intelligent
people to assist them and to participate? What answers do we have to
combat these unlawful individuals.
________________________________
From:
Julianne McKinney <juliannemckinney@ yahoo.com>
To:
multistalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent:
Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:18:37 PM
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
And
how does someone who's been stalked for a mere three months develop
these interesting insights?
Julianne
________________________________
From:
Desiremeonly <seagod1@yahoo. com>
To:
multistalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent:
Sunday, May 3, 2009 9:11:23 AM
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
I
have found that not one person besides us care a fig about what they
do to a private citizen at al and I believe wholeheartedly that the
DA office either in Queens or the Bronx is being used with their DA
investigator as well. I do not know what anyone can do for us.
---
On
Sun, 4/19/09, Julianne McKinney <juliannemckinney@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
From:
Julianne McKinney <juliannemckinney@ yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
To:
multistalk@yahoogro ups.com
Date:
Sunday, April 19, 2009, 2:34 PM
My
mistake. A year and three months. Still, not a particularly long
time. So, since you've studied these phenomena, seagull ...I mean,
seagod, what answers do you have?
Julianne
________________________________
From:
Fish Crab <fishxcr...@yahoo.com>
To:
multist...@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:23:26 PM
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
Very
good Julianne: Even me... I am now becoming familiar with Debbie H.
writing style. I got this feeling in the back of my mind that I have
been exposed to it before...
Felix
---
On
Sun, 5/3/09, Julianne McKinney <juliannemckinney@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
From:
Julianne McKinney <juliannemckinney@ yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08 l
To:
multistalk@yahoogro ups.com
Date:
Sunday, May 3, 2009, 8:36 AM
That
doesn't respond to the points raised in your initial email, DebbieH.
Julianne
________________________________
To:
multist...@yahoogroups.com
From:
juliannemckin...@yahoo.com
Date:
Sun, 3 May 2009 14:35:38 -0700
Subject:
Re: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
You
have been exposed to this style before, Felix. "desiremeonly"
aka "seagod1" was previously known to you as
"possibilitycsx" -- all going by the name Debbie H.
Julianne
________________________________
FW:
[multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08 FFCHS Daily Harassment Log
From:
Joshua Copeland hans2...@hotmail.com
Date:
Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:04:01 +0000
Local:
Mon, Jun 28 2010 2:04 pm
Subject:
FW: [multistalk] Stalked from Jan. 1. 08
And
finally, check out Julianne's interrogation of this TI from Yahoo
multistalk. Is this how we, as TI's, are supposed to stick together?
With activists like this running our forums and running TI's off the
forums? -- this TI did eventually leave, i think this is her last
post.
Signing
off from Grand Junction, CO -Joshua Copeland
________________________________
Again,
do an advanced search with well chosen keywords to find the original
page.
And
there's this from a message by the same Joshua Copeland on another
web site (Newsgroup alt.private.investigator):
"You'll
read on the web a lot on gang stalking and electronic harassment by
dolts like Peter Rosenholm, Derek Robinson (Who has a long career
with the NSA and now claims to be a victim of Gang Stalking and EH
(electronic harassment)), some idiot named Antwine Tazewell (I'm not
making that up, that's what he says his name is), Julianne McKinney
(who has a long history working in military intelligence and now
claims to have been gang stalked for 20 yrs), Debbie Newhook, Eleanor
White, the list goes on...My point is these people i've named act
like loons on purpose. You'll find their comments a lot on newspapaer
articles that deal with govt surviellance...all the above all claim
to be gang stalked and electronically harassed, however...they are
not. They are just here to discredit the real Targeted Individuals."
Further,
I found this comment:
"Regarding
the political activism forum I was on, Julianne McKinney, a long-time
member, was known to have an exceptionally sophisticated vocabulary.
She was also one of my more vociferous opponents. She was rude and
cantankerous. On this forum, in a message dated October 16, 2008,
"Julianne McKinney" wrote a message and addressed me as
"Ms. Napolis." This identity was not Julianne McKinney. The
vocabulary used was clearly not her own and McKinney would never have
addressed me so politely because we were opponents. It was clear to
me at that time, and for other reasons, that identity theft had
occurred on the mindcontrol activism forum."
Rude
and cantankerous sounds just like the Julianne McKinney I dealt with.
To find the original web page, try a search for "Millenium
Take-Out of the Planet".
(August
2014 note: ‘Ms. Napolis’ undoubtedly refers to Diana Napolis, a
righteous soldier of truth who was responsible for almost
single-handedly exposing the satanic ritual abuse epidemic during the
1980s and 1990s, but who was ruthlessly targeted and eventually (and
wrongfully) discredited by Michael Aquino and a number of his satanic
cult members, leading her to either have a mental breakdown or else
disappearing altogether and being replaced by an imposter. I hadn’t
realized until reviewing this blog entry today who this was referring
to and the fact that Julianne McKinney was an opponent of hers, so
this just adds further evidence that all these people I’ve been
saying are government disinfo agents are all connected and working
together in a long-term psychological operation against the TI
community.)
It
seems that I'm not the only one out there who smells a big fat
government rat when Julianne McKinney is nearby.
I smelled the rat too, and left the forum! Also don't trust Derrick Robinson or any of the people on FFCHS!
ReplyDeleteHeads up!
DeleteFFCHS has since changed its name to PACTS International (People Against Covert Torture & Surveillance, International). It's still headed by Derrick Robinson.
These comments on various people are quackery. You don't really know these people. You don't know if they have helped many. And, like all targeted, Julianne McKinney does not like perps and is on guard for them, and she has low tolerance for any idiots concerning OSEH. I had to laugh at all these comments against these pretty well known targeted people. Julianne McKinney helped me saved my life against powerful leaders of the perp world. I'll admit, she does have a strong pesonality and strong choice of words at times, but most the time she is right. Luckily, she has survived many years of targeting and is an asset to the targeted community. I have not seen or heard any convincing evidence Derrick Robinson of FFCHS is a perp- seems to be a nice man with a good heart. I have known him since FFCHS inception of year 2005. I'm well aware that the perps are professional deception artists, and I have a lot of experience with perps, so I highly doubt my opinions about both of them are wrong, though with the insane world of targeting it is always hard to trust anyone. Well, if any doubt I am a targeted, then I can show them proof, I guarantee that. Again, I found the comments sadly comical that pretended to prove any one is a perp. - Kenneth M. Wilbourne Jr
ReplyDeletethis is the fifth comment I have found on the internet where Josh Copeland is slamming me (debbie Newhook), Eleanor White, Julianne Mckinney. I have heard that Josh has spending a great deal of time slamming me. Not once has he stated any reason why he calls me a disinfo agent and back what he says to be true up with facts. Josh should spend more time exposing this crime instead of slamming the people who are doing the work to expose this crime.
ReplyDeleteFor more info about this crime see my website: http://osnanaimo.org/
I just caught this comment by Debbie Newhook, another FFCHS member who lies and twists things to make a stink...
DeleteDebbie, I don't see Josh Copeland or anyone else "slamming" you "the fifth time" on this page... He didn't even post here until January 2015, four years after you came and snvelled!
There must be a very good reason for people "slamming" you, Debbie, and I know it isn't for the same reasons you and your group slam me and ban me from your little cultish groups... for revealing the truth about FFCHS and their partners in crime....
Don't trust the gal who has the targetedindividuals site... long story. Suspect she is absolutely a Perp. Behooves me why stalkers try to make like Ti's or concerned citizens. I don't get it but their out there.
ReplyDeleteStumbled on this blog... im a real TI that has been perped heavily by ffchs people on facebook. Originally they were mostly friendly, if distant, but over time the perping got worse and worse, with almost all of my TI "friends" perping me. I suspect around least 90% of TIs on facebook are fake. Some of them act like im the fake TI! Theyve made threats that it will be easier to kill me this way, which sounds like a fear induction tactic. I suspect some real TI's may be brought in and 'managed' by these ffchs ppl, but for some reason, in my case, they are perping me. Theres no question that Derrick is a operative, along with many other ffchs people. All real TI's out there stay strong and take care.
ReplyDeleteHi everyone. Below, I have posted my correspondence with Julianne McKinney at her multistalking forum at email address: multistalk@yahoogroups.com. It started with her first email, at the bottom (below) and went on until the last (top). After that, I did email her a couple of times to ask her to stop stalking me. As you can see, she started out friendly and solicitous, then once I disclosed my experience, she became nasty and abusive. She made slurs on my appearance (the photo I uploaded to my FB page), called my experience "alleged" and made nasty criticisms of my successes in legal battles. I was disappointed but I think Josh is right about a lot of his observances. I have observed that often TI are recruited to harass others and they join to fit in and to try to make the harassment stop. And also, because McKinney worked in Intelligence, it is highly unlikely she is a TI herself, unless her symptoms are mental illness, because had she left her Intelligence work to expose abuses, she would have been sued. It is much more likely, both logically and from how she treats real TI, that she is still working for Intelligence under an assumed identity as a TI, that she is spying on real TI and, as Josh says, running off real victims of gang stalking in an effort to keep us isolated and to try to stop TI from organizing resistance. She and her cohorts won't succeed because resistance is not only about organization; it is also simply about resolve, personal resolve. Just resolve not to be a part of that and to expose it whenever and wherever possible and to invite others to help you to resist and to continue to speak out about it. Otherwise, the whole world will fall under tyranny and none of us will any longer have the freedom to associate or to be kind. Maybe the human evolution will be as some form of cyborg with no conscience in which case, I might not want to call it "human" anymore as I believe humanity is defined by the capacity we have for our grasp to exceed our reach for making the world a better, more equitable, more tolerant place. Peace everyone and keep well. Joan Abernethy P.S. I must make multiple posts as it appears what I have put together here is too long. Please persist to read it all. thanks.
ReplyDeletePeople who are enrolled, voluntarily or through entrapment, will always discredit a legitimate target's victimization; indeed, they often infiltrate the person's life (or a community) to do just that. Another sure sign of the enemy is they will in no way help a target escape, as in helping them financially,securing legitimate legal representation, etc.
DeleteThe combination of synthetic telepathy (having access to a victim's thoughts, and therefore being able to pre-empt, and sabotage their plans), surrounding a victim with enemies (appearing as allies) who discredit their enslavement, keeping a target financially destitute, electronically egregated and exhausted physically through electromagnetic radiation torture is a system of enslavent. It is ongoing, constantly refined and meant to spiritually conquer any individual - particularly the most defiant. A few references can be found in the infamous "Report From Iron Mountain" and somewhere in 'Technotronic Dictatorship' by socialist devil Z. Brzezinski. The Satanic, occult dementia which informs this anti-human agenda is most disturbingly revealed by mad genius Manley Hall's "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry," which contains masterpiece quotes about the 'seething energies of Lucifer,' ruling the lives of others, and Osiris as messiah. Everyone should read Freemasonry's classic texts in order to understand the worldview, efficiency and madness of that particular devil cult.
Robert Tevault, I can agree with all of that, except the part about people's thoughts being read. That one point is what leads so many to NOT want to believe any of this targeting goes on, whenever that particular claim is raised.
DeleteIt's foolish to just assume that one's thoughts can be read so easily, when the technology really doesn't support such a thing and there are other more plausible means for monitoring and assessing a person's inner thoughts and inclinations. They would like you to ignore these more plausible means while entertaining the more outrageously unlikely idea that they have the ability to look into your mind and watch it like a movie. It keeps people distracted from the real source of the problem.
That claim is a planted SUGGESTION, which if you're open to the idea, is the beginning of hypnotic induction -- moulding a reality that you will then begin to substitute for the real one. It is meant to keep you making the wrong assumptions and leading you deeper into this false reality where you will feel far more incapable of dealing with the issue than you would if you understood how they were really assessing you and causing you to think they were in your head.
Encouraging others to believe such technologies exist is the devil's work. It encourages self-defeat, in that a person who adopts that idea will feel weaker rather than stronger, incapable of even trying to deal with their situation because they think it's beyond their ability to do so. They will eventually give in to it, and either become "one of them", or lose touch with reality altogether, believing in that false one where others can look inside their mind and manipulate it so easily.
Re: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
ReplyDeleteHide Details
FROM:
Julianne McKinney
TO:
multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Message flagged Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:14:33 PM
Now you ARE showing signs of being delusional. Amanda resides in England and has been a member of this forum
for many years. I reside in the United States. Had you been an active member of the TI community, you'd have
known that.
Amanda explained my methodology, adding the point that she was not accusing you of being a perp. And you took that
as an accusation regardless. So, both Amanda and I are "cops," now, what with our allegedly being the same person.
Nice delusion, verging on paranoia.
'Tell you what, Toots. Go ahead and post your diatribe and file a complaint regarding the HORRENDOUS abuse you've
suffered on this forum. It is in keeping with your desperate need to be seen as a professional victim.
You might want to post these exchanges in their entirety to support your allegations, but, of course, you won't.
So, ciao, sweetie. Enjoy.
Julianne
From: Joan Abernethy
ReplyDeleteTo: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
Amanda AKA Julianne,
I am reporting this as abuse and I will also post on Youtube to expose your fraud. Because that is what it is. Your "support" group is a lie, a fraud, because you bring people down, you don't support them.
I am experienced and educated and knowledgeable enough to know abuse when I see it and the posts made by Julianne to my posts were abusive. Why would you support her post that attacks my appearance, that describes my appearance as "whacked out"? "Whacked out" is a descriptor that suggests drug abuse. I am not a drug user so why would she make such a vicious slur? And Julianne's posts did not "seek clarification" -- they were accusatory and mean. And calling my experience "alleged" suggests I am not honest or at least that my experience is delusional. And for you to call me "a perp" -- oh sure, I read you, "I am not saying you are one" -- no, just that I am not welcome, like perps aren't welcome. It is abusive. It's like me saying moderators of multistalk@yahoogroups.com are assholes, oh, I'm not saying you are an asshole, or calling you an asshole, then asking you to not take it personally.
Like I said to Julianne -- or Julianne AKA Amanda -- I think this forum has been set up by police moonlighting to harass and prey on victims. Members should beware of these moderator(s). I worked for many years, alongside my academic career -- in case you haven't worked in that field, you should know it is essential these days for academics to also work in business -- in victim services, for Public Health Departments and in Children's Psychiatric Services and I know abuse, verbal and written abuse, when I see it. And what Julianne posted, and now your suggestion I am a "perp", is vicious and cruel abuse.
My main contact for gang stalking has emailed me that the accusations you make are exactly the accusations made by police to discourage victims from reporting incidents. BEWARE OTHER MEMBERS, THE EVIDENCE IS THAT THESE MODERATORS ARE DIRTY COPS.
I will report you and upload a video about you with an online address where the world can view my correspondence with you and with Julianne but not with other members -- and then you will get what you deserve. The Internet may still be free enough to let people like you do what you want with the vulnerable but it is also still free enough to let people attacked by you to expose you.
Now, leave me alone!
Joan
________________________________
ReplyDeleteFrom: "coricurry@yahoo.co.uk"
To: multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
Joan and others - I have watched this saga unfold and I do not like it. This forum most of the time is peaceful. Let us remain that way. Julianne will test new comers and quite rightly so. Perps are not allowed here. I am not saying you are one.
Let us have peace, we all have our own troubles and life is difficult enough. Let us try and understand each other. What I found difficult listening/reading Joans account was that it was too much too read and confusing so I do not have any difficulty with Julianne seeking clarification.
It is better not to gush our situations take your time to impart it in small chunks. Tis best that way.
Best regards
Amanda (UK TI)
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Abernethy
Sender: multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:29:04
To: multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
Ooooo! A moderator and a cop!! And a bitter, small-minded mean person too. Don't look in the mirror, lest the glass breaking cut you down.
________________________________
ReplyDeleteFrom: Julianne McKinney
To: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:23:07 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
Litigious, aren't you? Go ahead and report my comments as abuse, Joan. I happen to be the moderator of this forum.
If all you want to do is whine, then go for it.
And, no, I'm not a cop. If I don't talk about my experiences in detail with you, it's simply because I don't know who the hell you are.
You arrived out of nowhere, notwithstanding your alleged 35 years of experience. Your Linked-In post was the only trace of you,
which I didn't find to be in the least bit reassuring.
I made recommendations as to how you might approach these incessant problems, and you found them to be not to your liking.
That's fine with me.
Like I said, if all you want to do is relish your alleged victimization, go for it. Others on the forum will be happy to accommodate
you, no doubt. You and I have nothing further to discuss, obviously.
Julianne
From: Joan Abernethy
ReplyDeleteTo: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: [multistalk] abuse and online stalking in online stalking forums
Julianne,
Sorry, but you asked a number of questions that I did answer and I did not ignore this one. I don't entirely understand it though. Does my claim "have to do with" my degrees? What do you mean by "have to do"?
I'm sorry you don't like my appearance, Julianne, but I am not trying to attract you and as I am not "whacked out" I don't care if some jealous others think I am. It is the truth that matters, not what you think. And why would I pay a "professional" to take my photo when we have such good webcam technologies? I don't know about you, but I've never had a good passport photo all of which have been taken by professional photographers.
The Resistance Underground does so exist and I would recommend you look among your contacts with cops to determine who among them are keeping two sets of records!!
And would you please elaborate what you know about "unneeded law enforcement attention"? Are you a cop moonlighting in victim forums to indulge a sadistic appetite for injuring others who try to maintain an open conscience and attitude?
You claim -- claim -- to have been stalked for forty years. Don't you think that makes me rubber and you glue? And in case you don't understand that reference, let me rephrase. If you want to "move on" since it seems your stalking has gone on longer than mine (yawn) then go ahead, but in my case, that incident is not in the past as a Crown Attorney who is now a Superior Court judge relied on it to commit a crime in 2003 and in 2007 up until 2010, a Crown Attorney did it again. So, hardly in the past. But if your is in the past, please do move on. Don't let my experience stop you.
And your suggestion I am masochist is sadistic. Why are you so bitter? Do you call it masochism when a repeat sex offender (you could CPIC him if I gave you his name) forces his penis down a woman's throat? Do you accuse that victim of enjoying auto erotic asphyxia? Because I can tell you, and refer to you lots and lots of resources to confirm, that to enjoy such a thing, for it to be masochism, requires an act of will which is impossible when the man trying to kill you has a screwdriver at your throat. This man dragged one 16 year-old girl from a bus stop and beat her so badly she was six months in Intensive Care just recovering from her physical injuries. Do you think she enjoyed that too?
And apparently you don't pay attention, Julianne. I already told you the man who broke in and held me hostage (more accurate than to call it "kidnapping") began his crime around 2:00 a.m. on a Saturday and left around 5:30 p.m. on the Sunday. So, yes, it was a weekend. And I lived over an art store that was closed weekends and the other tenant upstairs was gone for the weekend. The attack was planned, Julianne, and he didn't act alone.
The more I read your rant, Julianne, the more I wonder if you are another cop out moonlighting online. You sound frightened that I might actually succeed to bring down some really criminal officials. They deserve to be brought down, Julianne, and unless you're involved in stalking innocent victims of the Crown in your position as an official, a cop or other official, then you have nothing to worry about. Please try to be on the right side. Many, many good, honest cops are.
My narratives are not lengthy or disjointed. If you can't follow them, that is hardly my fault. The lawyer was very helpful. I sent him the 30 pounds of evidence because he asked for "everything you have". I would have discriminated if he had asked me to but he didn't. And he opened everything I sent him. He refused to represent me because of a conflict of interest not because he didn't believe me, Julianne. And quite frankly, the very fact he consulted and the chief of RCMP also adds weight to the probability that what I say really happened, and as you know, the standard of proof in civil cases is probability -- 50% probability -- not proof beyond doubt.
ReplyDeleteAnd what do you know about statues of limitation? Do you really think I am going to sue for malicious prosecution? Not a chance. Go check the law, Julianne. It's a federal case -- that's a clue.
What I say in my email to members of the gang stalking support group is not what I intend to rely on in court, Julianne. I do know what hearsay is and in some tribunals, as you know, such as the one I was appointed to adjudicate, hearsay is acceptable. But again, that is not something I intend to rely on in court.
My goodness, you are all fired up in your fear of what I have had to say!! I'm sorry you are upset.
I haven't asked you or anyone else on the forum for legal assistance. And I'm sorry what I've said has threatened you. That is not my interest. Another website that helps victims of gang stalking warned me there were some people on this site who are what she called "infiltrators". So, I don't know you. I've asked you to tell me about what happened to you but you have refused. So, maybe this site is a trap site. I will write to Evelyn and ask.
My understanding about the site is that it is a support group. If I am wrong, I'd like to hear it not only from you, Julianne, but from the other members. You can hardly call this a support group if you dictate who can participate and who can't. You really sound like a cop and if that is so, why not just share your experience with stalking? My understanding is that lots of cops are stalked. One cop told me he was harassed -- not stalked exactly -- but harassed, racially harassed, by other cops throughout his career. He was a good, smart, kind person who never got past constable because someone made a dirty complaint about him to OCCPS (civilian complaints commission in Ontario) and it stuck. He told me he couldn't help me because he was about to retire and wanted to get his pension and to teach law and security at a local college, something he couldn't do if he helped me. He had been through hell and he was a cop too. So, if that's
your situation, why not just relax and share? Why do you feel you must seek to discredit me and call me names and denigrate and hurt me? Why do you hate me?
If you are in some position of authority on this website, Julianne, I would suggest you amend the site to put some guidelines or even rules that state no one can talk about lawyers or their experience trying to resolve the stalking. Or if you intend this forum as a vehicle to convince people their experiences are all delusions, you should call it a mental health forum, not a gang stalking forum. Otherwise, I would like to participate in the support without being attacked by the kind of slurs you have made against me. And if you won't, then I will report it to Yahoo as abuse.
Joan
To: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
ReplyDeleteSent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 11:13:59 AM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
Welcome aboard, Joan. Just out of curiosity, have you recorded any of these verbal assaults?
Julianne
From: Joan Abernethy
To: multistalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
I live in Canada and have been stalked by a variety of strangers and mere acquaintances for at least the last 13 years. Maybe even before that when I thought it was my fault.
By "stalking" I mean sometimes complete strangers but also bylaw officers and police (so I know who they are by their uniforms) have come to my home and screamed at the top of their lungs: "We are going to take all your assets, including your car, drive you into the street and then kill you". Another time, after I met with my MP to ask for his help, two women entered a public internet access agency, sat on either side of me and the one asked if my MP was "helping" me and when I started to say something diplomatic, she interrupted, made her hand into a gun shape, and said, "I am the mob and we are going to shoot you." Also, I've been spat upon and called "a filthy Jew" although I am culturally Christian. And I've been assaulted several times, once by a car driven in excess of 80 km a couple of weeks after being threatened I would be hit by someone who said although he looks identical to a city councillor and although police treated him like a city
councillor, he was really a drifter. The threats almost always use the first person plural pronoun "we" to indicate a group. And I've been followed and watched but not so much in the small Conservative town I currently live in, although that doesn't mean things haven't been grim here. They have. Three times I've been wrongly arrested and efforts made by the Crown to avoid a trial of the evidence, that would prove me innocent, with an application under 672.11 of the Criminal Code to try to put me in a mental institution indefinitely without a trial of the reason I was brought before the court to hear the application in the first place. Very sneaky of the Crown. One threat was delivered by a woman and I asked her why and she said "We don't have free speech in Canada, you know".
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ReplyDeleteFrom: Julianne McKinney
To: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:54:38 AM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
That's all very interesting, Joan. But you ignored my question.
Did your claim that you are the "Intelligence Director of The Resistance Underground" (from January 2001 to the present), with
degrees from the Universities of Western Ontario and Toronto, and from Brock University (St. Catherines/Hamilton Campus)
have anything to do with this harassment over the years?
By the way, I strongly recommend that you replace that photo of you with one taken by a professional, unless you really want
to appear to be rather wacked-out. The photo you are using is highly uncomplimentary.
Actually, I also recommend that you delete your claim of being the "Intelligence Director, The Resistance Underground" altogether.
The group is non-existent, and your claim merely attracts unneeded law enforcement attention to you. You've apparently had enough
of that already (unless you have a masochistic need for more).
I'm a little surprised that you went to work after the kidnapping, as if nothing had happened. I take it that this alleged kidnapping
occurred over the weekend, since your employer was obviously unconcerned by your two-day absence.
continued from last Julianne post (but hers aren't "lengthy"?):
ReplyDeleteI'm also struck by the fact that this event occurred a good 35 years ago, yet you'd originally portrayed it as having recently happened.
Perhaps it's time to move on.
You also discussed contacting an attorney 8 years ago and seemed to take pride in the fact that you'd supplied him with some 30
pounds of materials. Of COURSE he refused to assist you, regardless of his alleged conflict of interest. Lengthy, disjointed narratives
such as you've furnished here are useless as "evidence." They may add to the "weight" of the documents being furnished, but they do
not add to the "weight" of your case against those whom you believe committed offenses against you, particularly if statutes of limitation
have expired. And if your complaint incorporated references to what you'd observed as being done to others, then you'd have made
that complaint completely irrelevant from a legal standpoint.
No attorney has the time to try to sift through 30 pounds of materials in order to make sense of your grievances. I'm surprised you
weren't charged a $50,000 retainer fee up front just to cover this attorney's initial review of your materials. I suspect that the attorney
didn't even bother to read more than a couple of pages.
I gather that you haven't sought the services of any other attorney since 2004. Right?
I'm not certain how we can be of any assistance to you on this forum, Joan. My standard advice to most targets of harassment who are
involved in irresolvable situations which tend to be aggravated by their own conduct and perceptions is that they make an effort at
re-establishing their credibility to get their lives back in order. Minimum.
In your case, if you are intent on litigation, then you need to focus and strategize your efforts, which means eliminating rambling
irrelevancies from your complaint. Your lengthy postings suggest that this is currently not something that you can do.
Regardless, if you are seeking a legal resolution to your complaints, this is what you must do, preferrably with the assistance of an
attorney. We are not attorneys on this forum.
Julianne
From: Joan Abernethy i
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
Sorry it's unclear. Kidnapping 1977, and I didn't call anyone while he was still there. While he was still there, he gagged me and tied me up. After he left, I went to work then at break, went home and called a friend who took me to hospital. That sex offender died in the 1990s shortly after police finally investigated the 1977 incident that happened in London (Ontario).
The Haitian maintenance man threatened me in 2003 in St. Catharines. I don't know what happened to him. I only met him for a total of six weeks while I lived there and before I got arrested and ordered to move to Chatham, also in 2003 within a period of two months.
In 2004, I heard Norm Inkster, former chief of RCMP, interviewed on CBC about gang stalking and I phoned him and he got me a lawyer to whom I sent all my evidence that weighed about 30 pounds. So, I have a lot of material records and lots of harassment, very intense, many incidents all happening close together and multi-levelled, multi-people, multi-agencies involved. That lawyer said his firm could not represent me because of a conflict of interest with doctors (MDs and PhDs) at the federal level. He said the purpose of the stalking was to drive me crazy, then to rely on police fabrications of evidence to incarcerate me indefinitely in an institution under mental health law. He had knowledge about it but said in the event it goes to trial, neither he nor Norm Inkster can testify because of the conflict of interest.
It's complicated and I don't really know who has organized it. Sometimes I think I've been put on some list. In the late 1990s, a cousin of mine was working in Yemen for Canada Customs and Immigration. He suddenly returned to Canada, divorced his wife and married a woman he brought with him from Yemen. At their wedding, he wore a long white gown with a long curved sword in front and she wore a see-through knee-length dress and both were secretive and avoided the rest of us, wouldn't talk. When my cousin visited me at my home, he brought his wife not his fiancee and they acted like love-birds for a couple that were about to be divorced. The divorce was fast tracked through his government friends and within a couple of weeks of their return to Canada, my cousin and the woman from Yemen were married. Then about six months later, my aunt told me the Yemen wife was deported by the Canadian government that labelled her "an international
ReplyDeletecriminal." Sometimes I wonder if someone in my family put my name on some list related to whatever nonsense my cousin got involved in.
I also made a complaint to the Ontario Human Rights Commission about workplace sexual harassment that I witnessed my disabled clients experience. The supervisor of the employability assessments told five of my clients he would write a bad review to ensure they were denied their disability insurance claims unless they gave him blow jobs. I won -- if you can call it a "win" -- two CEOs lost their jobs. On the day the claim was delivered to the Respondents, I got over 100 crank calls. At first, I thought the harassment started again in reprisal for that.
But I also gave the information to Criminal Injuries around the same time and a lawyer and others told me I was harassed because of the information I provided in that application. Others have suggested that too. Two women strangers approached me and told me they had gone through something similar because they exposed child sexual abuse in wealthy families. The one told me she was almost on the street with her son before police arrested another police officer who had hacked into records at her work and manipulated records to make it appear she was guilty for crimes committed by someone else at her work to set her up. She said the officer was just a fall guy though for those who hired him and that she didn't think it was worth all she went through because he only got a suspended sentence and the media made it sound like he was innocent. Around the time she told me that, I witnessed local gangs harass her and harass her children and her dogs.
The other woman told me the court awarded her the huge house and ample assets from her husband who was convicted of molesting her three children, two boys one girl, but within six months, she was on the street, so intense was the harassment.
But then I also wonder if the whole thing might be organized by mob or gang associates of a boyfriend I dated when I was just 21 who now teaches Afghan soldiers business skills. He works for Canadian International Development Agency and has top security clearance to personal information in official records and he grew up in wealthy Montreal West Mount and knows RCMP who do all the security checks. He is the only one among all my contacts who has the wealth and contacts to be able to launch harassment like I've experienced, if indeed it is organized by someone and not just that I've been put on some list. His brother is the current medical officer of health for one of the provinces in Canada with the contacts at the federal government and especially in health care with access to records and influence.
ReplyDeleteI was set up in a really good job, an appointment as adjudicator for an Appeals Agency for employment insurance. A federal Minister appointed me and my MP said it might place me out of reach of my enemies because in such a position you can only be fired if you are found guilty of a criminal offense or not criminally responsible due to insanity. I loved the work. But as soon as I started, I knew it was a set-up. The very first contact I had with the board assistant was by phone and she said "You are going to wish you never got this job". And then I was re-arrested and efforts made to force me to quit, and to look incompetent and so on but I refused to quit and I was smart enough that the ploys to make me look incompetent didn't work either. But then the supervisor -- the federal director of appeals for the ministry -- suspended me saying "we would get you fired if we could". She did that on the same date that was first set for the trial of
the criminal charge. That criminal charge was laid four years after the first one and under exactly the same conditions. Again, absolutely no evidence but lots of harassment and an effort by the Crown to rely on a forensic assessment to avoid a trial of the actual evidence.
So, while I don't think there is any government conspiracy, I do think there is a well-established gang that has a healthy army of "soldiers" it has recruited from all levels of society. While I worked, for the six months before the appeals director suspended me, as the board adjudicator of employment insurance appeals, I heard appeals and wrote decisions and chaired boards with two other board members. During the deliberation with the two board members of an appeal, one of the board members -- a retired engineer who bragged he was best friends with police and lawyers in the city -- out of the blue and totally unrelated to anything we had been speaking of, he turned to me and made a threat -- "We are going to shoot you". There was a witness to that too but because of the context and because of the politics and because I wanted to act professionally, I noted what happened, explained it briefly to the other board member whose jaw had dropped to her
waist, and then I continued to deliberate the appeal.
I am sorry to hear you have had such an awful time. I guess you don't want to talk about it online but I would like to learn about it sometime if you could tell me about it. I have no experience with the electronic harassment except in so far as my computer has been hacked and crashed several times and my telephone calls listened into (I even got a Bell Canada representative to come and look at it and he identified the wiring had been messed with so a neighbour could listen in to my calls.)
ReplyDeleteI know my story is overwhelming. I have kept immaculate records of everything that happened, something a lawyer recommended I do. I consultedl him in 2001 and he told me what was happening violated the Criminal Code under Section 137 -- fabrication of evidence -- and Section 465 -- Conspiracy to prosecute. He certainly recognized it before I did and told me to keep records of every single incident that appeared it even might be related. So I did.
Take care. Thanks for your interest.
Joan
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From: Julianne McKinney
To: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:56:00 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
This isn't entirely clear, Joan. It sounds like the kidnapping occurred in the late 1990s, or maybe in 2004, and that, by some unknown means, you managed to call people to take you to the hospital while the kidnapper was still there, who may or may not have been the Haitian maintenance worker who'd threatened you outside of your premises, who may or may not now be dead. Also, I gather that you were tossed into jail for 36 days because you'd threatened to protect yourself from two men who were stalking you, year not certain. The facts get lost when you furnish detailed narrations of this nature.
Just out of curiosity, did your claim that you are the "Intelligence Director of The Resistance Underground" (from January 2001 to the present), with degrees from the Universities of Western Ontario and Toronto, and from Brock University (St. Catherines/Hamilton Campus) have anything to do with this harassment over the years?
My own harassment has involved both organized stalking and particularly violent forms of electronic harassment.
Juliane
From: Joan Abernethy
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
After the guy left; he broke in around 2:00 a.m. on a Friday and left around 5:30 p.m. the following Sunday, and after he left, I fell into a stupor until it was time to go to work then I went to work. At morning break, I looked down and saw I had blood on me and I went home and saw the door to my apartment was leaning against the hall. He'd broken into my chain-locked, dead-bolted apartment with a screwdriver he used to remove the door from the hinges so quietly I didn't even wake up. The first I knew, he was standing in my bedroom doorway, I screamed, and he flew through the air and put his hand over my mouth and held the screwdriver to my throat. So I called people for help and one came and took me to hospital where I was admitted. The doctors put me on heavy meds and did not call police. It wasn't until 2004 when I reported that other doctor to the College that they disclosed the records of that attack from so long ago by the repeat sex
offender. So it wasn't until 2004 I saw what the doctor said -- that it was a delusion, that I imagined it. But before that, during the 1990s, around 1993, in fact, I applied to the Ontario Criminal Injuries Board for validation and for compensation, not that the money is much, and so then police finally investigated. No police were called at the time and I was just so freaked out that I could barely move and then was put on really heavy meds and then moved to another city and just went on with my life, no counselling, nothing. The detective who investigated during teh 1990s interviewed the man who attacked me and he confessed he did it. Also, the detective said what I described so exactly described this man's exact MO that I couldn't possibly be lying, because I described details only his victims would know. The detective said the man was dying so it was not worth prosecuting because he no longer posed a threat to anyone. Then later, he
did die. The thing is that one of the man's other victims, a prostitute who testified against him to put him in jail, she was re-victimzed by another man who used the exact same MO while he was already in jail. So police wondered if they convicted the wrong man and went to interview him in jail but he said no, it was him that did it. But to me, that suggests the man hit the prostitute for someone else, to silence her -- the way he attacked women to silence them, asphyxia with his penis, it's pretty awful, repeatedly doing that until the victim passes out over and over again. Anyway, for another offender to do the exact same thing, and to use his MO, right after the prostitute put him away, well, I think someone hired him to do it. And for my part, I kept moving to try to get away from him while he stalked me until one time, I moved in the middle of the night with a truck and drove far enough I couldn't have been followed -- the man didn't
drive and there were no buses and no taxi followed -- but the very next morning, there he was, leaning against a building across the road, grinning, the next day when I left for work. Something broke in me then because I realized someone among the few I trusted to tell where I was moving was working with him, someone I had trusted had told him where I would be. So what was the use of moving to try to get away? It was after that that he broke in and attacked me.
I have made Freedom of Information access to records and found a consistent misreporting of the facts I report to police and to doctors that suggest what I tell them is a mental illness. The Privacy Commission and the CEO of one of the hospitals involved helped me write statements of correction that police and the health agency had to attach to their original records. That is why I tried to tape record something and I think I did pretty well to tape the doctor's comments. I have the official report of the doctor who assessed me for the Crown who tried to avoid a trial of the evidence with a 672.11 application for a forensic assessment while I was in jail to try to get me detained in an institution indefinitely under mental health law. Her report, bless her heart, says she found no mental illness. In fact, she had the guts to refer me to an internist in jail who diagnosed the heart attack I had tried to access health care for just days before I
ReplyDeletewas arrested. On that occasion, 5 April 2003, I phoned for an ambulance after I was assaulted by a stranger on the street but the dispatch said he kept dispatching an ambulance but his "higher ups" kept cancelling. I later got his id information. I took myself to hospital then but the officer got there before I did and triage told me to leave the hospital. All I'd done was ask for an ECG and they told me to leave. I couldn't believe it so I called Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) on the way out of hospital and told them what happened because it violated public health SARS policy at that time. On the way home, the same officer stopped me in his car on the street. He held a SARS mask to his face with one hand and shoved his gun at me with the other and said "No one is going to help you. I already spoke to him and he said it didn't happen. You have to live with him". I asked him who he was talking about and he said the
man from Haiti who had earlier threatened me. I asked him why he would talk to him and why he would say it hadn't happened, the assault, because I had not said it was him who assaulted me or that it had happened either where he lived or worked but at another location. I said the only thing he should have said was that he had no information about it as he wasn't even a witness. And as to the officer's advice that I had to live with this man -- he was the maintenance guy for the apartment I'd just rented and because of his threat, I'd just given notice to move, which was my right under the law. But there was some funny business with the Ontario Rental Housing Tribunal at that time with an adjudicator (former cop and lawyer) who made outrageous orders that broke the law and he was involved. I'd written to the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing to ask if there was some loophole in the law that allowed adjudicators to break the law -- I got
no official response but when I was in Toronto, a woman who I'd met a few years earlier when she was part of a research group that got funding under the Alan Rock government for medical marijuana research at University of Toronto where I'd been teaching -- she stopped me on the street in Toronto and said "they didn't like your letter because there is no loophole in the law" then walked away. I told the cop I would never live with someone like the man who had threatened me and then I turned my back and walked away, not knowing if he was going to shoot me in the back or not. I'd also asked him for his name and he'd refused and so I'd taken his badge number from his lapel so I know who he is, even though he held a mask to his face.
I waited until shift change and called police again and two officers came out and were very respectful and took copious notes. The one was in plain clothes that the uniform, who took the copious notes, said was just
ReplyDeletethere as a witness. But when I later got the records of that, the only record was made by the officer who had been in plain clothes and he wrote it as if it hadn't happened. Two officers from two different detachments have told me they are keeping two sets of records, one official and another they keep at home just in case they ever need them. That's what I suspect happened on that occasion and that the uniform still has the copious notes he took. I also have all the health records made by the internist in jail. And I have the transcripts of the hearings. The "mole" gave me her name but I have been unsuccessful to track her down. I have quite a bit of what I think is material evidence but heaven only knows what the courts will think. Several lawyers have advised that to make this stop, I must sue the government but none of them wants to represent me. One local lawyer who works at the Appeals Court told me I need what she called "a big
Toronto lawyer" someone like Greenspan or Ruby with enough resources to fight my opponents, but none of them have agreed to represent me, although one said he might get involved at the appeals court level. And I am not a lawyer so trying to make a claim is formidable and something I'd probably need to do before the Federal Court because the Crown who came after me, who lied to the court to get me jailed in the first place -- and it was weird what he lied about too -- he told the justice bail should be denied because I was mentally ill, had no fixed address, no assets -- all lies. But when I told the justice that I had assets, a twenty-year fixed address and wasn't mentally ill -- I thought maybe the Crown knew about the award from Criminal Injuries I'd just then recently received -- $10,000.00, not much -- so I told the justice that I'd suffered some symptoms of PTSD from an historical sadistic prolonged sexual assault, and the Crown, when I said
that, he went off the record -- smart Crown but I still think some people who were working that day would remember what he said -- he got right in my face then and yelled over and over to drown me out -- about the attack by the repeat sex offender -- "that never happened, that never happened, that never happened, you're crazy" -- I couldn't believe it. I had no criminal record, had been teaching at the university and I could not understand why a Crown would know or how he would know about an historical assault from thirty years ago that happened in another city. It didn't make any sense. I mean, they arrested me -- get this -- on the basis of a voice message I'd left for police in which I cited two previous incident numbers about threats by the maintenance man, and in which I said I'd just received another threat from his buddy that they were coming back to force entry to my apartment, and I said if police could or would not help me and they came
back and forced entry, I would do my best to defend myself using whatever means I had available. That is what they arrested me for -- threatening, they charged me with, for threatening to defend myself should two men who'd previously threatened me and the incident numbers I cited in my voice message, should they make good on their threat to force entry and attack me.
So based on that, I couldn't understand why the Crown would know anything at all about the attack by the repeat sex offender. Except that Criminal Injuries is an agency of the Ministry of the Attorney General that the Crown Attorneys work for. There is more to it too; I was offered money and a position to cover up a crime and that offer came from another agent of the same Ministry. When I turned it down, a detective told me if I didn't shut up about what happened, police and the Crown would charge me with a criminal offence and throw me in jail. The thing is that if he didn't
ReplyDeleteerase it, there should be video evidence of that. But I'm sure it's been erased. Although I must say, I thought at the time that it was odd that an officer would video tape such a threat. Maybe he turned the tape off while he did that, it's hard to tell. But the lawyers I spoke to about that, both the duty counsel and two lawyers right afterwards would remember. And the records I got of that time show the Crown ATtorney who lied to the court to get me thrown in jail was conspiring with police before that, before I left the voice message, the previous April -- a year earlier -- when I was attacked by three hooded men in the parking lot at work and it was after that that the detective who eventually threatened me insisted I attend the agency where I was then offered the money and CEO position -- in exchange the agent said I'd just have to cover up some large scale crime against a targeted minority group and I refused. It would be nice to have
that on tape, eh?
Forty years for you? What happened? Can you tell me?
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From: Julianne McKinney
To: "multistalk@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 5:26:19 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
Yes, I've been a target for over 40 years.
What happened to the guy who'd "kidnapped" you and sexually assaulted you over a period of two days? Did you press for prosecution?
Also, what official records do you have regarding your detention for 36 days? And what was the basis for the "administrative hold?"
Julianne
From: Joan Abernethy
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [multistalk] new user -- my experience
Hi Julianne,
That is the question police always ask. And the answer is that I have not been successful to record an actual threat. I have witnesses though. And I did record a doctor tell me the reason I have been targeted is because I am what he called "a white nigger". I also recorded him say if I was normal, I would have killed myself long ago and that any liability associated with knowledge he has about the targeting is protected by Canadian information and privacy law. He thought I was taping him for police who he said were brushing me off. I had a letter from the Municipal Police Commissioner that said he was assigning the divisional commander to assign someone to investigate and I had showed him that letter and he said, "Oh, that's just a brush off, isn't it?" and I said police told me to tape record and so then he said, "Oh, it's just for police, sure, tape record me. They don't care". And so I did. But I didn't send it to police, I sent it
to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario. Then a man who worked maintenance at the building I had just rented an apartment in came up to me as I was walking up the front steps and said "You pissed off family at McMaster University and you are going to have to pay." and "I worship Hitler for killing people like you; people with ideas" and then he said "If the mob is going to whack you, they won't waste a bullet but just explode you, like in your car". Then as he was leaving, he laughed and said "In Haiti, where I'm from, I would go to jail for saying what I just did, but not in Canada". He was right, of course.
A few days later, police arrested me and threw me in jail and left me there for 36 days without bail. I was not allowed access to a telephone to hire a lawyer and lots of other denials of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights. All very criminal but what can you do when it is the Crown doing the crime? The sign over the cell
ReplyDeletewhere I was kept said "administrative hold". Then the Crown argued to the court to let me go, saying it was "crucial" and it withdrew its charge but only after the court ordered me to move away from the city where I had lived and worked and to move to another city where I knew no one and I was ordered to just leave the jail and get out of town the very same day and so I couldn't bring any of my things. I managed to get a friend to go into my place and get a few things, especially my records, and so I still have all that. Later the College issued this doctor a written warning; they couldn't do any more than that because by the time I got the tape back -- a woman in jail threatened me -- she said she knew a judge in Welland who was going to get her off her charge of attempted murder for information she was going to get for him, and then she asked me where I hid the taped recording and I told her because we were handcuffed together in a paddy wagon
otherwise alone on the highway and I had watched her smuggle out a weapon -- a sharpened pencil -- during the strip search. She had 40 previous assault convictions and was in jail on a charge of attempted murder for putting a man in Intensive Care by chasing him down the street then stabbing him in the heart, she told me. So by the time I got the tape recording back, it had been messed with -- the only thing the College was able to get him for was inappropriate language for calling me "a white nigger" -- they couldn't get him for his admission of liability because that part of the tape was erased. Even so, he expressed surprise and called the College "harsh" for issuing him the written warning because it seems his lawyers told him the College would think that slur was acceptable. I think his lawyers told him that so he would take the fall to cover up for whoever told him that, likely some health care lawyers. So, it is harder than one might
think to get a threat on tape. I never seem to see it coming. When someone comes to my door and screams a threat in my face, I never seem to have my phone out or if I do, I never seem to have it dialled to the right page to tape record. And it only takes a moment for someone to scream a death threat. Some have been delivered as I left the house in the morning to go to work -- that was when I still worked -- and it always took me off guard. But as I said, there are witnesses.
One woman said she would repeat what she was told "at the right time" -- she was a woman put in my cell in jail and she identified herself as "a mole". She knew a lot too so I kind of believed her. And the lieutenant in solitary was really quite a decent guy and he told me one of the other prisoners had threatened to kill me, a woman convicted of two murders who was in jail awaiting sentencing -- and so this "mole" had my back when the woman who had threatened to
ReplyDeletekill me was, against the promise of the lieutenant, let out of her cell while I was in the shower and she had a long-tailed comb in her hand but did nothing, I guess because the "mole" was right behind her. It's been a really scary time but I went through something similar when I was just a youth doing original work, my colleagues said, in Philosophy. Someone hired a man police later described as "a repeat sex offender" to stalk me for a year and a half during which time I lost everything by trying to evade him by moving in the middle of the night and so on, and then he broke in and attacked me over two days and because I was so young, I just left everything behind because then, too, police refused to assist me, even though they knew this man had served time in Kingston for doing the same thing to other victims and in Penetanguishene Penetentiary for the Criminally Insane. They knew he was stalking me but told me they could do nothing until he
attacked because, they claimed, they had no anti-stalking laws to rely on. Later, I realized they lied because they could have arrested him under any number of then existing laws prohibiting watch and beset and threatening. So, after he attacked me repeatedly to unconsciousness -- you know what that means -- I just gave everything up and left town and got a job as a dry cleaning clerk and gave up the career I loved in an all-male field. Well, there was one other woman at the time and she had been dragged for three blocks by a bus and suffered horrendous disabilities to her legs and couldn't walk. Big price. But when it started up again, just as I got back on my feet -- took me twenty years -- and was ready to again start an academic career and then it started again, but this time I just wasn't going to give in no matter if they killed me. And they tried. They hired someone to hit me with a car going in excess of 80 km/hour when it hit me.
Anyway, I just feel sad now because no police or anyone can help and my MP tried but even that was a set-up so I know it goes really high up in our government -- maybe only to the high executive of the civil service, maybe not the privy council, but I'm not sure. So, there was nothing in the end my MP could do even and he tried. Anyway, this is heavy. What about you? Can you tell me what your experience is?
Joan
From: joanabernethy@yahoo.ca
ReplyDeleteSo, why am I being multi-stalked? And by whom? Well, like so many others, I'm not sure, exactly, but it seems to be an internationally organized group I think of as terrorists with
a goal of suppressing free speech that is pro-human rights. I have a good idea who some of those involved are, although I don't know the top leaders. I am a woman with a good brain and a good education who was working in a male field when it all started and that would put it back 40 years ago After they succeeded in driving me from that profession by hiring a repeat sex offender to "silence" me repeatedly to unconsciousness, I didn't notice it again until I became aware it hadn't gone away when I tried again to get back into a related field. That was when it started up again in spades. Also, I wrote some letters to editors about organized crime that both a city councillor and my doctor yelled at me about, although I didn't think anyone cared what writes of letters to editors thought. I mean, why not just let it go and wait for the next newspaper and the next letters? Also, I wrote about residential school settlements but again, I didn't think what I
wrote could possibly offend anyone. I think just the fact I wrote a letter is what offended. In Canada, since 2001 and the attack on the USA, I have been accosted by a number of men who have told me they watch me and that I should not go out alone, that I should take their taxi guy. Again, I have been estranged from all family and friends by what I think of as miscommunication, although I guess lies is also accurate as I discovered a large part of the problem is misinformation in my personal records, especially in the police records of complaints I've made about the threats and assaults and extortion and other crimes of stalking. When I tell police, usually I get some version of what Inspector Bob Buck of Hamilton PS said, which was "How soon can you be out of Hamilton-Wentworth?" But then another cop told me it wouldn't matter where I moved to anywhere in the world, 'they" would find me. I think whoever the international leaders are, they hire mob and
biker and street gangs to do some of their dirty work. They organized locally from local biker gangs -- I know that for sure because locally where I currently live, I recognize some of the stalkers as out-of-the-closet self-described members and/or associates of Hells Angels. And there were two threats made on behalf of "the mob" although which mob wasn't identified. One of those was made by en employee of a Ministry of the Ontario government. I suspect the government -- i.e., the civil service and probably parts of the union that organizes the civil service and trades and so on -- has been heavily infiltrated by initiatives of the international leaders at least 30 and maybe 50-60 years ago, with the very interest identified of gaining world power. So maybe the legitimate world leaders who meet out in the open and oppose vigilantism aren't so bad? I mean, sure, there is lots of corruption in those groups but at least they state a belief in democracy and
human rights and so on, whereas those leaders of this vigilantism that targets good, honest folk like me does not and is not in the open. I say if they want to rationalize hunting someone like me, come out and challenge me to my face and don't be such a coward as to hire someone who has no beef with me to deliver your hatred.
A very good lawyer in Hamilton, Ontario Canada told me it often takes decades to collect sufficient evidence of conspiracy because it is organized by high-level white collar professionals working within the system who have access to resources to protect themselves and to harm their targets. Look at Curtis Slewa. It took him at least 10 years to convict Gotti for hiring a guy to shoot him in the gut and leave him for dead. But he did finally succeed, and Gotti wasn't white-collar government; he was mob. Another expert at Queens University told me I am unusual because I know how personal records are used to mobilize bias (that's what it's called) against targets. He said -- and the Enron whistleblower confirmed this -- that most targets are hit so hard and suddenly on all fronts that they are quickly isolated from friends and family, impoverished and driven into homelessness, then they die quickly either from outright murder or from the complete devastation of the targeting. I'm one of the lucky ones because I've managed to accumulate quite a bit of evidential documentation of a cover up of crime by officials. I'd rather not sue but if it is my only option, then I'm going to do my best to carpe diem.
ReplyDeleteWhat concerns me a great deal is the fact that there is a lot of misplaced hostility concerning many among us who quite naturally have sincere passion for our effort to put an end to this and other forms of domestic and international terrorism. To badmouth someone simply because they don't conform to our precisely preconceived definition of things is to play the same ignorant defamation game that a perp plays. We must keep our attention focused on solving the greater issue, which is to end our suffering. Please understand that to vilify someone---simply because of an unsubstantiated paper-chase following a less-than-savory brusque encounter--only continues to play into the hand of our true enemies--who, by the way, have made it their business to remain anonymous while dividing and isolating us. The only person I can no longer trust is the person who refuses to acknowledge the truth that I'm telling them, not the person who doesn't necessarily have time to kill for me. Did you ever get the feeling that sometimes your personality can be grating on another person's nerves? I have, and sometimes it's not their fault. Let's keep a level head out there, folks. World Peace!
ReplyDeletePaul, my post about Julianne McKinney and certain others is not made frivolously. I have had my ear to the wire for a while, and it is quite apparent from what I've heard and experienced personally that these people are more what I describe than what they purport to be. The evidence is out there. I'm simply the messenger pointing at what to be aware of, and let those who care to look more closely do so and make up their own minds. That's what free speech is all about. What you call 'badmouthing' is a little extreme, and a littlw twisted.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you say that the only person that you can't trust is the person who refuses to acknowledge the truth that you're telling them. My question to you is: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE TRUTH, AND OTHERS WHO 'REFUSE' TO LISTEN DON'T???
Isn't that a little bit too self-certain?
I'm sorry if you took my critique as a slap or a smear. Perhaps "badmouthing" is the wrong word? Again, I must stress the importance of examining a topic in a more balanced fashion. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU CAPITALIZE YOUR WORDS in response to a message, as though you were struggling to scream at someone over the internet, it puts forth the impression of impudence and intolerance. As a target of the exact form of domestic terrorism that is described in Ms. McKinney's interview (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5d5_1194548311), I can only tell you what I have heard with my own ears and read with my own eyes. I’m still trying to process the inundation of information and misinformation running rampant online. Anybody can say anything, as long as foolproof evidence isn’t a concern, and some people eat it up like it’s caviar. When I read that so-n-so’s a dolt, and whatsizname’s a fool, all I’m seeing is hate. One might suspect that you yourself are one of those disinformation moles whom you and others seem so quick to deride. See how easy it is to point the finger?
ReplyDeleteUnless we approach this problem in a reasonable and dispassionate manner (however we ache to shout it from the rooftops), nobody out there is going to pay us any mind. I can understand if you’ve been trying to put the message of our plight out there for years and years and it seems like nothing is happening. But something is definitely happening. The proof of that is my message now to you.
I realize the need to vent in the midst of this twilight zone bullshit we are all going through. I hope that we haven’t reached that point of no return, where it’s become impossible to find common ground and work together to agree upon a viable, mutual strategy that will progress indefinitely until covert (and overt!) targeting is finally ended. In time, the truth will be made known. Believe that. Let’s hope that we can get to the bottom of all this—before we all tear each other apart like they want us to.
Having said all that, let us continue to hold onto what sanity we have left to make this one last hurdle: To bring to the public judicial system an acknowledgment of the reality of Electronic Harassment & Surveillance & Torture, and have it finally abolished. If one particular petition or lawsuit is not your cup of tea, get off your duff and start your own! And don’t forget to call me when you do, so I can join it!
We ALL need to continue our own personal struggles of learning and surviving in the meantime. Please let’s not lose sight of that! I came across your site in my search for answers. Enlighten me with something besides accusations. World Peace!
Enough of your holier-than-thou attitude. If you must imagine that uppercase is yelling, then I imagine that that's what you NEED to see it as.
ReplyDeleteSTOP USING MY BLOG AS A TOILET FOR YOUR CRAP. I deleted the other posts you came back and put up that are COMPLETELY irrelevant and UNWANTED.
As you wish. You obviously need to vent, without the obstruction of a reasonable challenge to your unsubstantiated diatribe. Good luck.
ReplyDeleteOther readers can just look at who's been using MY blog to vent instead of just dealing with the issue that got their wet little panties in a bunch early on. I've been deleting this perp's continuous posts here since he started ranting about me like he's worried about what I'm publishing. But some remain to serve as evidence of his lack of maturity and utter perpiness.
DeleteTell me, how is anyone supposed to substantiate anything of this nature. Only a dolt would think that this is supposed to be anything more than my own personal perspective. It's up to all of you readers to decide for yourselves what to make of it.
ReplyDeleteI find it VERY interesting that you chose to come and respond at this point in time, when certain other events are happening around me that stem from such people as Julianne McKinney.
Are you from FFCHS?
Well, I suppose you feel thanks should be in order now that you have backtracked and returned my previous messages to this blog page. Now wasn't that a sneaky little trick you played on me! For someone who proposes to be a seeker and disseminator of truth, you certainly have a very low threshold for being on the receiving end of ACTUAL critical analysis. It sure is a very good thing that your words don't carry overmuch weight on the web.
ReplyDeleteLet's put this in its proper perspective:
First you removed my above messages, and then once you thought it was long enough a period of time, you returned these messages just to make it seem like you had the almighty last word and that was that and that paltry Stayton guy was at an impasse and on the ropes. Finally!
And to add insult to your deception, you went and started up another blog page “dedicated” to me! You know, the same way you “dedicated” this page to Ms. McKinney. And you did it in such a sneaky, reprehensible way as to disinform me with a personal email so that I would think you actually went out of your way (in your typical condescending and overbearing manner of course) to try and clarify your position on the people you do so relish to obsess over. And all you really did was attempt to smear another person who saw through your inconsistency.
And here you were just setting me up with your petty attempt at an “exposė,” which was actually just one more of your tired “nanny-nanny-poo-poo” rhetorical rummages through the same old “my word is blog-law” UNSUBSTATIATED TALKING POINTS.
My, but you do have a nasty habit of shitting all over anyone who doesn't eat your shit, and then manipulating the shitfest to make it look like your just waiting at thew keyboard with bated breath to deftly and honestly respond to all those unanswered questions about where you actually get the nerve to continue masquerading your flimsy smears as honest journalism.
I would advise anyone reading this who is witless enough to allow you to lead them by the nose headfirst into your myopic nearby trees that you insist are the entire forest to take a deep breath, and a step back, and observe exactly who this petty third-rate Alex Jones wannabe is. Please, everyone, observe how this vindictive sophist parades his insulated ivory-tower talking points with finger-pointing blog smears that help nobody, attempt to deceive anybody who browses, and set up the Undying Infallibility of the Great Grandstander Himself.
I'm pulling out all the stops, Chuckles. You have the unmitigated gall (yes, I'm aware I've used that descriptive on you already; but it just seems to fit so well!) to call people you don't like “perps” and “traitors” and whatever other moniker you've christened—which is really only the name of the next rolled up turd you spontaneously lay as you consider a brand new conspiracy theory to mount like your new bitch—and you never seem to find the time to just be nice to someone who's merely seeking more of an explanation than the UNSUBSTATIATED TALKING POINTS you're complacent to embellish.
Go back up to the top of this page and read Kenneth Wilbourne's message to you.
And please stop imagining that anyone you deign to accuse is what you say they are.
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ReplyDeletefor. You have ended my four day long hunt! God Bless you man. Have a nice day.
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In reviewing the comments to this article three and a half years after having written it, I can now say from personal experience that those people who have posted comments in support of Julianne McKinney have shown themselves to be equally suspect (Ken Wilbourne Jr., Debbie Newhook, Paul Stayton, etc.), not because of their complaints about the claims made by myself and others here and the evidence presented against Julianne McKinney by way of her own words, but because of how they’ve been incapable of providing any evidence to support their denials of what has been said about her, as well as because of claims they’ve all made elsewhere in the past about themselves that they wouldn’t provide enough details on to validate them when asked, and most noteworthy of all, because of the very close and continuous association all of these people have had with government agent Derrick Robinson and his FFCHS cult group throughout the time since I first posted this article in 2011 and even prior to that, which I wasn’t aware of when I first posted this.
ReplyDeleteWhat I find so hypocritical about them all is that although they excuse Julianne McKinney’s nastiness and skepticism towards those TIs who have come to her forum for help (as shown above in both my article and in Joan’s comments), these supporters of McKinney (and McKinney herself) can’t handle the same suspicions about their own genuineness and take extreme offense to it and don’t even attempt to follow their own advice. Paul Stayton’s rather foul-mouthed rhetorical comments filled with false claims that I’m manipulating messages were not intended to seek validation for what I’ve stated about Julianne McKinney, but were instead intent on attempting to discredit me for even questioning her bad attitude towards TIs while posing as someone who was there to support and help them. I’d like to point out to Paul Stayton in particular that in the past three and a half years since I posted this article on my blog, my readership has increased dramatically, and continues to increase with each new article I post. The only people complaining about me are the people who are associated with the most questionable personas and groups operating in the TI community… the people I’m exposing based on FACTS. If any of them ever want to clear up these suspicions about their own integrity here in public, I have the questions ready for them to answer.
Has anybody ever heard of Ann B. Livingston? Her highly critical account of trying to deal with Julianne are written up in the November, 1993 issue of Mufon Ufo Journal 'electronic harassment and alien abduction'. You don't have to be a Ufo buff to recognize the disrespectful gas-lighting and discrediting of information the recovering army intelligence officer actually never even examined in the first place - nor to appreciate the frightening implications of the fact that Ann died from a sudden aggressive ovarian cancer in 1994.
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DeleteThat article reflects exactly the same characterization of McKinney that I and many others have commented on. I find it very interesting that the MUFON article came out one year after McKinney's own article, which appears to have been intended to give the then barely-developed TI community some substance. At that time, the UFO community was well-developed while the TI community was not, and the latter actually developed out of the former and became recognized in its own right. These are both audiences for various psyops, and I would think that as such, it was important at the time that the MUFON article was published that a distinction needed to be created between them, dividing out the TI community from the UFO crowd, which is in fact what has since happened.
I have paid a very heavy price for having trusted one of those whose defence of Julianne is quoted on this page. (Search for "Please, miss, please may I watch my son's school Christmas play?") However, I still maintain that trying to work out whom one can trust, without taking into consideration what you are trusting them to do, or not do, with what potential good or bad consequences. Applications for trust, are like applications for credit. Each such decision all depends how much "money" (or trust) you want to "borrow" (or use), this time, as well as who you are and your track record.
ReplyDeleteThat;s you in the video? Why do you have a court order to stay away from this person? I saw nothing in the video that would ptove any sort of gang-stalking.... just a person who was attempting to break a court order rather than to take the proper avenues. Sorry Johm. Not impressed.
DeleteJosh here. Wow. I didn't know anyone was reading my posts about Julianne and Beth and Bruno. Esp. on alt.private.investigator. I thought I was typing in the dark. Here I have cut and pasted my comment from an interview with Julianne on Utube:
ReplyDeleteDisinfo is truth mixed with lies. A lot of what McKinney says seems plausible, so I don't want to deny what she says. So I say give her credit on that. But...she is a disinfo agent. She heads the Yahoo forum Multistalk. My theory is, that when the internet came around, the govt was worried it would help TI's band together and make themselves public, so the govt put its own people in charge of the forums and groups. Julianne would act obnoxious as hell -- and I mean obnoxious, not the woman U hear on the video -- to harass real TI's off the forum. TI's left the forum in droves. Most could not stay on it for long (I was on it for about 4 yrs because I just ignored her). This was her job set out to her by the govt. The forum had many people claiming to be TI's, but they would just act rude and ignorant too, to agitate real TI's off the forum. Julianne was nice to them (The agitators). I tried to get to all the TI's that left and tell them to ignore her and stay on the forum. I emailed this to one dude, I told him that Julianne agitates people off on purpose. And he sent my email to her. Then she, and many of the members put in a concerted effort to harass me off the forum big time, like a huge campaign. All of a sudden it seemed every post was directed towards me, telling me to get off the forum. "Felix TI" threatened to find me, saying he knows where I hang out. Even the TI I tried to help did his part in trying to push me off the forum. But I wouldn't leave. So Julianne claimed I wasn't who I said I was and kicked me off. Also, Julianne can act like a loon in public, to try and discredit REAL TI's. In her comments to Sharon Weinberger's article on GS in the Washington Post, she, Julianne, kept commenting over and over, claiming the Post kept deleting her comments (Which it did not). If U R a TI, U should make your situation as public as possible, as hard as that might be...
--Signing off from 1332 Pinyon Ave, Grand Junction, CO 81501...
--Joshua Copeland
That's the comment. Anyhow, when I tried to post about Julianne on the FFCHS forum, the forum moderator deleted them, and Derrick Robinson, the head of FFCHS -- a former NSA man himself -- threatened to kick me off the group. When I referred the forum members to my alt.private.investigator posts, Batvette derided me for posting all that (A real TI wouldn't abuse U for posting what I posted on alt.pi).
Anyhow, the key to getting back at Julianne is to go on Yahoo Multistalk, but don't let her agitate U off. Just don't tell her I sent U. Do the opposite of what she wants. The govt must have good reasons for wanting to keep TI's from posting there. So post there. Just ignore her. I stayed on that forum for 4 yrs, I just ignored her posts. I think she's a counter intel agent with a handler and everything. Also, try the site Fightgangstalking.com (There's no "WWW" in the name). It has a lot on disinfo. And watch out for all the disinfo on Utube, with agents who act crazy (Chokah Mohab, that's you) on purpose to discredit real TI's. There's so much of it, I try and comment on all of it, trying to negate it, but the videos are so numerous...
--Josh
I tried commenting earlier but it didn't save for some reason...
DeleteThanks for your further input Josh... A lot of people read this page, so what you say is reaching others.
I'm tempted to go back on Multistalk, just to see what happens.
I was run out of all the FFCHSW groups on facebook for asking questions and pointing out certain facts about certain people there, after receiving pretty much the same treatment as you.
They thought that by silencing me, they would stop people from hearing what I have to say. But they went on to harp about me being a fake TI and a government agent (you know how they mirror themselves onto others) and that just caused people to search me out and see what I have to say... which has obviously hurt their reputations further, given the apparent credibility my work is gaining.
I'm tempted to rejoin multistalk, just to see how Julianne reacts. I bet I would be blocked, if that's possible.
Just a suggestion, you should do an article on the GS disinformation videos on Youtube. If you Google "Gang Stalking" videos I've commented on should come up on the first or second page. From there you can link up with my account and find yourself a whole pile of disinfo videos.
ReplyDelete-- Josh
Thanks Josh.... I don't really spend a lot of time reviewing videos by unknown people, just because I could be doing that for the rest of my life and never see an end to them. If there are particular people who stand out for their volume of questionable material and the negative effect it appears to be having on TIs, then I'll take notice. But I'd really rather put my investigative efforts to the bigger, stinkier, and more recognizable fish who are floating around the TI community and polluting it with their government agenda. Bottom feeders who follow their lead are a dime a dozen around here.
DeleteI copied one of the videos and the comments for later review (Cynthia from New Mexico).
She is an obvious perp. I describe what was happening, she calls me sensitive and says that it's not gang stalking and people don't have that much time, I call her out on some of her shit and give her ego a little jab. Then she emails me and we exchange emails and she denies saying stuff that I and everyone else read, says I need help, and bans me from the forum.
ReplyDeleteThe key to fighting McKinney is STAY on the forum. Do the opposite of what she and the govt want. If they want you off the forum, it must be in your best interests to stay on. So I say to all not banned from the forum, go on the forum, and be very polite to her, and ignore her. Use the forum to post your story, names, dates, plates, descripts, and, like Anthony, become known.
ReplyDeleteIgnoring her and being polite to her are at odds.... I just totally ignore problem people now. Responding to them at all is just an invitation for more of their crap. But I agree about staying on the forum and not be intimidated by such people.
DeleteMcKinney is dangerous. She's programmed to push people's buttons; people fall for it and defend their life stories. Meanwhile, data is taken which helps her programmers to understand how to manipulate the human psyche to reach their experimental goals. Best is just to stay off McKinney's path; she's a dispensable scout, that's all she is.
ReplyDeleteRight, she's programmed to push people's buttons, but don't let your buttons get pushed. Do whatever the op tries to get you to stop doing. If the op wants McKinney to agitate you off the forum, then do the opposite, stay on the forum. You'll be helping our cause and your own cause.
ReplyDeleteJulianne was one of the first people I connected with on FFCHS. She was so rude and dismissive that I had to disconnect from her completely. She is not in these groups to help.
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